Adoption/ Fostering Fees

[Piotr]

Lily is looking for a home. Unfortunately the family that adopted Lily a month ago is no longer able to take her. Lily was supposed to fly to Toronto in two weeks, but due to sudden and unforeseeable expenses with their other dogs, the adoptive family decided that they can no longer take her.

I began fostering Lily at the beginning of May and she has been with me up to this point. The decision to adopt Lily and fly her to Toronto was made a month ago, so, basically, I doggie-sat her for the family. All the vet bills were also supposed to be paid by that family, as was the adoption fee. I still expect that family to pay for Lily's bills (around 200,000 won), but am unsure if this will happen. Lily comes with her carrier, which is approved for flying, pee pad, toys, blankets, combs, food, and leash.

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[Scarlet13]

I may have someone interested, I will let you know shortly...although she may want to try on a trail basis.

I think that the vet fees/etc are part of the adoption fee and as such should be the responsibility of whomever chooses to adopt her. It is the same thing with any foster dog, my foster project has already cost about 700,000. It goes with the territory, but you are free to include the costs as part of the fee. I don't think that this family should be required to pay for a dog they can't afford to take, when her forever family should be paying a fee for her anyway. You'd be paid twice. In any event my friend is interested, but a bit on the fence, I'll ask her if I can give out her email and you two can talk. Good luck!

[Piotr]

I may have someone interested, I will let you know shortly...although she may want to try on a trail basis.

I think that the vet fees/etc are part of the adoption fee and as such should be the responsibility of whomever chooses to adopt her. It is the same thing with any foster dog, my foster project has already cost about 700,000. It goes with the territory, but you are free to include the costs as part of the fee. I don't think that this family should be required to pay for a dog they can't afford to take, when her forever family should be paying a fee for her anyway. You'd be paid twice. In any event my friend is interested, but a bit on the fence, I'll ask her if I can give out her email and you two can talk. Good luck!

Hello Scarlet12! I should have been more clear in my first post. The family adopted Lily and then decided they cannot afford her, a month after they made the decision. Of course they should have been aware that animals may become ill and will require veterinary care which is expensive (particularly in Canada). I do not want ANY adoption fees, to be honest with you, I simply want that family to pay me for what THEY told me I should do with Lily, get shots, buy her a carrier for the plane (which I specifically bought for them), etc (I have receipts for all things, as asked). I am simply asking them to pay what they would have paid had they had her, physically, since Lily has been their dog for a month. I had a similar situation with a dog last year, one who I wasn't able to take back to Canada, but I was responsible for him up to the point of him being adopted to another person. So, I want the family who adopted Lily (because they did, indeed, adopt her and agree to pay me back for her expenses) to pay for the expenses and then they can arrange with the new family whatever they wish (considering the fees), or I will be happy to return the money back to the original family, in Canada, when I get the money from the new family. Within the 200,000 won payment, there was a 50,000 won adoption fee (which also includes some vet care Lily received for deworming, etc.) I asked for originally, but, if we find a new home for Lily, I won't mind subtracting that. This is all sounding like business, I know, but I don't know why I should take on another person's responsibility.

And I really don't mind taking care of Lily, she's a pleasure to be around, but I have just a few weeks to do so.

P.S. I know all about the costs it takes to foster animals. I spent around a million won myself, on a few animals. Those animals have found new homes. But there is a big difference in this situation.

[Scarlet13]

I am aware of the situation, I was the one who was going to take Lily to Canada for the family in question. Unfortunately the fee that you are requesting will come from the fund raising done for the trip-meant to pay for FOUR dogs. It will also mean that if that money goes to you instead of the flight, I will have to cover all of the remaining expenses which is about 700,000 which I can't afford. So right now I am trying to decide which dog will have to stay in here, Atti or the Daejeon dog Porcupine both of whom have foster homes waiting for them.

A crate was never needed for the flight, it is included in the cost, I was under the impression that you had wanted to do some travelling with Lily and needed one.

Again, these expenses, should be included in the adoption. Every foster parent en cures some debt. This should be off set by the adoption fee which the adopter should be paying. It would also make sense to offer the crate to the new owner, if they don't need it sell it, I'm sure you can get a fair price. People are enquiring about buying some on the travel forum.

[Piotr]

I am aware of the situation, I was the one who was going to take Lily to Canada for the family in question. Unfortunately the fee that you are requesting will come from the fund raising done for the trip-meant to pay for FOUR dogs. It will also mean that if that money goes to you instead of the flight, I will have to cover all of the remaining expenses which is about 700,000 which I can't afford. So right now I am trying to decide which dog will have to stay in here, Atti or the Daejeon dog Porcupine both of whom have foster homes waiting for them.

A crate was never needed for the flight, it is included in the cost, I was under the impression that you had wanted to do some travelling with Lily and needed one.

Again, these expenses, should be included in the adoption. Every foster parent en cures some debt. This should be off set by the adoption fee which the adopter should be paying. It would also make sense to offer the crate to the new owner, if they don't need it sell it, I'm sure you can get a fair price. People are enquiring about buying some on the travel forum.

What? The woman who's father adopted Lily told me to buy her a crate. Please ask her. Thanks. It was needed for the flight because she was going to send Lily with another person, a few weeks ago, before she changed her mind and was to send Lily with the other dogs. Honestly, the issue here isn't money, though it is unfair for me to pay for someone else's dog. The issue here is that a family adopted a dog, basically asked me to lend the money for her treatments and supplies and then, a few days before she was to leave, told me they changed their mind.

To put it in perspective, the daughter who adopted Lily on her father's behalf, sent her own dog to Canada, instead of Lily, last month. Originally, we planned to send Lily, but her own dog was ill and we both agreed that Lily should stay here for a while and I was happy to take care of Lily for her father until she was sent to Canada. Had Lily been sent home, like she was supposed to, I doubt that the woman would decide to leave her own dog in Korea simply because she couldn't afford it. There is no difference between her dog and Lily, considering she and her father adopted both of them.

The money which the family owes me should not be taken out of any fund raising. It should come from the man who adopted Lily. I don't understand what is so difficult to understand. If you adopt a dog, you should be responsible for her, financially, and otherwise.

I stopped fostering Lily a month ago.

[Scarlet13]

Well I think you two suffered some miscommunication. Her dog was always ill which is why he had to go home, unfortunatley there may be a communicabal diesease in the house which could kill Lily. In addition to a second dog being hospitalized. I don't think he has the money to give up right now, hence the need to use the fund-raising which is completely unfair to the other dogs.

You had already started to pay for some of her shots when I first contacted you, you haven't really covered anything out of the ordinary. I think it would certainly be responsible to ask for her father (who actually adopted lily) to pay the difference, should her new family not be willing to pay the entire amount.

This sort of thing happens all the time with foster dogs, my dog has been adopted 3 times already only to have the family fail to come pick her up. Maybe these issues expenses could have been minimized had you spoken to me, as i said a crate was never required for the flight, and since she is under 3 months* no shots are required either.

As much as it is annoying to have your plans changed (again i am the person who was going to travel across the world to bring her to her family with 5 other dogs-I get it, it is REALLY upsetting to have everything changed-especially if your the one left with the ENTIRE bill) but in this case Lily could be in very serious danger, especially at her age.

*Is she not 3 months ( I read that in your post) how did she get her shots at 1.5 months. isn't that dangerous? Or is that only in specific cases?

[Piotr]

Well I think you two suffered some miscommunication. Her dog was always ill which is why he had to go home, unfortunatley there may be a communicabal diesease in the house which could kill Lily. In addition to a second dog being hospitalized. I don't think he has the money to give up right now, hence the need to use the fund-raising which is completely unfair to the other dogs.

You had already started to pay for some of her shots when I first contacted you, you haven't really covered anything out of the ordinary. I think it would certainly be responsible to ask for her father (who actually adopted lily) to pay the difference, should her new family not be willing to pay the entire amount.

This sort of thing happens all the time with foster dogs, my dog has been adopted 3 times already only to have the family fail to come pick her up. Maybe these issues expenses could have been minimized had you spoken to me, as i said a crate was never required for the flight, and since she is under 3 months* no shots are required either.

As much as it is annoying to have your plans changed (again i am the person who was going to travel across the world to bring her to her family with 5 other dogs-I get it, it is REALLY upsetting to have everything changed-especially if your the one left with the ENTIRE bill) but in this case Lily could be in very serious danger, especially at her age.

*Is she not 3 months ( I read that in your post) how did she get her shots at 1.5 months. isn't that dangerous? Or is that only in specific cases?


I will try to answer your concerns paragraph by paragraph.

We didn't miscommunicate. Yes, we knew that her dog was ill but at that point we had no idea how ill he was and we agreed it was best to send Lily so that her dog could get treated here and because Lily should not be in the same house as her dog (who was ill). So, we decided to send Lily first, later the woman decided that it would be best to send her own dog home, wait a few weeks and take Lily to her house, since her vet said it would be okay to do so by July 1st. So we agreed that Lily would go to her home (in Korea) and then fly to Canada with you (I had no idea who you were up until now). Of course I agree Lily shouldn't live under conditions which might compromise her health. As for her father's financial issues...I choose not to get into that because that is none of my business. I feel extremely sorry that they lost an animal companion. But, at the same time, I am not made of money either. I left my family, came to Korea, to make money. I have my own expenses to take care of. This is getting too personal, though.

I agree completely with your second paragraph. I DON'T want any extra money. Just what was agreed on and that was that I would, essentially, loan the money for Lily's things, and would get repaid. If the new adoptive family decides to pay for those fees, I am not going to keep that money. It will go back to the original adoptive family. I received a very clear message from the father's daughter, who adopted Lily, that I won't receive that money. PERIOD. I can't force anyone to do anything. I just have to be more careful with people.

I was asked, again, by the daughter, to buy the crate, get her shots (because they are a lot cheaper than in Canada) and so on. That was their decision, not mine. I hardly know you at all. The woman just told me that you're going to take the dogs with you recently. That's all that was said. I had no idea about anything else. She should have passed on that information to me, but she didn't.

As for Lily's vaccinations, as far as I know, and the vet, she isn't too young. She hasn't received her rabies shot, just some of the ones I already mentioned.

Anyway, may this be a lesson to all. I understand that situations may change, I experienced a problem like that, too. But one must accept responsibility. I feel disappointed that I helped someone out (not to mention Lily) and am now accused of causing grief.

OK. Let's find Lily a new home.